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		<title>By: Raqueeb Hassan</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1554</link>
		<dc:creator>Raqueeb Hassan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2004 16:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice, the better than ever. It&#039;s nice, sweet ... clean ... soothing to my eyes. I love your new bluish logo too.

keep up the starting over, every now and then ;)

Congo (DRC)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice, the better than ever. It&#8217;s nice, sweet &#8230; clean &#8230; soothing to my eyes. I love your new bluish logo too.</p>
<p>keep up the starting over, every now and then ;)</p>
<p>Congo (DRC)</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Cooper</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1553</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2004 18:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to say that the new design looks particularly tasty in Safari on Mac OS X. Haven&#039;t seen Trebuchet look that good for a while. I&#039;m considering doing some experiments with showing Gill on the Mac and Trebuchet on the PC, however.. Gill just has some sort of uniqueness to it that I like :-)

On the topic of mezzoblue.. all respect to the guy, but it looks kinda amateur/template siteish to me, I don&#039;t get the color thing.. BUT.. a lot of people whined about the new Wired and Webmonkey designs, and then grew to love them.. so my opinion could easily change. This is a common occurance with new designs. If people hate it, then you can be sure at least half of them will change their minds after a few weeks. I was the same with al,l of BBC News&#039;s redesigns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to say that the new design looks particularly tasty in Safari on Mac OS X. Haven&#8217;t seen Trebuchet look that good for a while. I&#8217;m considering doing some experiments with showing Gill on the Mac and Trebuchet on the PC, however.. Gill just has some sort of uniqueness to it that I like :-)</p>
<p>On the topic of mezzoblue.. all respect to the guy, but it looks kinda amateur/template siteish to me, I don&#8217;t get the color thing.. BUT.. a lot of people whined about the new Wired and Webmonkey designs, and then grew to love them.. so my opinion could easily change. This is a common occurance with new designs. If people hate it, then you can be sure at least half of them will change their minds after a few weeks. I was the same with al,l of BBC News&#8217;s redesigns.</p>
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		<title>By: jesse</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1552</link>
		<dc:creator>jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2004 17:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i must say i really like the open feel of this partially-redesigned site. the single column of text with wide margins, large font-size, and large line-height, and the white background make this about the most readable site i can think of.

the taste of the new design on its way looks beautiful, but i hope the marvelous readability of this site isn&#039;t lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i must say i really like the open feel of this partially-redesigned site. the single column of text with wide margins, large font-size, and large line-height, and the white background make this about the most readable site i can think of.</p>
<p>the taste of the new design on its way looks beautiful, but i hope the marvelous readability of this site isn&#8217;t lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Jones</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1551</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2004 18:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I happen to like both of your designs... previous and current.

Today, while surfing around, a came accross an old favorite site that has a... well... similar logo to your new one.

Just extend the lines of yours a bit, and you&#039;re GotoMedia [ http://www.gotomedia.com ] ... sort of. :)

In all, though, I think you&#039;ve got a refreshing thing going here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I happen to like both of your designs&#8230; previous and current.</p>
<p>Today, while surfing around, a came accross an old favorite site that has a&#8230; well&#8230; similar logo to your new one.</p>
<p>Just extend the lines of yours a bit, and you&#8217;re GotoMedia [ <a href="http://www.gotomedia.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gotomedia.com</a> ] &#8230; sort of. :)</p>
<p>In all, though, I think you&#8217;ve got a refreshing thing going here.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1550</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gerrit - how in the world was the last design &quot;hacker-like&quot; and &quot;scary&quot; like you said above?

I am wondering how anyone could  be scared by that design, I just want to find out about people&#039;s mindset.

It was *a little* darker than this blue-white cloudy sky thing we have now, but &quot;scary&quot;?

Get a grip!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gerrit &#8211; how in the world was the last design &#8220;hacker-like&#8221; and &#8220;scary&#8221; like you said above?</p>
<p>I am wondering how anyone could  be scared by that design, I just want to find out about people&#8217;s mindset.</p>
<p>It was *a little* darker than this blue-white cloudy sky thing we have now, but &#8220;scary&#8221;?</p>
<p>Get a grip!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Dell'Aringa</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1549</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Dell'Aringa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I came late in on this one! I&#039;ve been distracted by the Dave Shea Experiment! I was taken aback when I got here, I thought the CSS failed to load. Then I read the post and it was interesting how the thought correlated with what you actually did.

I couldn&#039;t agree with you more in your assessment of the complexity of designs showing up recently. I think (not to pick on Dave) that Mezzoblue is suffering from an overdesign for sure. His header is the perfect example of way too much going on.

I can see your current state of design as &quot;in-process&quot; and so I wouldn&#039;t want to comment just yet, but I like the direction. Loved the old site, but I think you might be on to something.

The new logo *rocks*.

Tom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I came late in on this one! I&#8217;ve been distracted by the Dave Shea Experiment! I was taken aback when I got here, I thought the CSS failed to load. Then I read the post and it was interesting how the thought correlated with what you actually did.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more in your assessment of the complexity of designs showing up recently. I think (not to pick on Dave) that Mezzoblue is suffering from an overdesign for sure. His header is the perfect example of way too much going on.</p>
<p>I can see your current state of design as &#8220;in-process&#8221; and so I wouldn&#8217;t want to comment just yet, but I like the direction. Loved the old site, but I think you might be on to something.</p>
<p>The new logo *rocks*.</p>
<p>Tom</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1548</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2004 12:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, i have to say &quot;doug, you goofed&quot;. i am so bored looking at this site i can&#039;t even look at it let alone read the content. what happened man? this looks like a movabletype template.  what happened to style and beauty? are you on a low carb diet? this can&#039;t be what my favourite design man came up with. it just can&#039;t. i know you are just messing around with me. lord have mercy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, i have to say &#8220;doug, you goofed&#8221;. i am so bored looking at this site i can&#8217;t even look at it let alone read the content. what happened man? this looks like a movabletype template.  what happened to style and beauty? are you on a low carb diet? this can&#8217;t be what my favourite design man came up with. it just can&#8217;t. i know you are just messing around with me. lord have mercy.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1547</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2004 23:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, I normally like brigt designs like this, but in the case of stopdesign, the old design was much better to me - and more unique for stopdesign. that&#039;s what i think..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, I normally like brigt designs like this, but in the case of stopdesign, the old design was much better to me &#8211; and more unique for stopdesign. that&#8217;s what i think..</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Zignego</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1546</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Zignego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2004 00:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woah, very nice.

The best thing about your redesign? A terrific job with the text - font size, family, and color. Everything seems to fit perfectly. I think that this really shows your skills as a designer. Just look at the right menu for example; pure text, and it&#039;s fantastic looking!

The second best thing: The logo, sweet work:)

Also, I like the centered look that you now have with the new header instead of the page-spanning old one. It gives the page a much cleaner, lighter feel, and helps everything flow together.

A supreme example of the beautiful design you can create with CSS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woah, very nice.</p>
<p>The best thing about your redesign? A terrific job with the text &#8211; font size, family, and color. Everything seems to fit perfectly. I think that this really shows your skills as a designer. Just look at the right menu for example; pure text, and it&#8217;s fantastic looking!</p>
<p>The second best thing: The logo, sweet work:)</p>
<p>Also, I like the centered look that you now have with the new header instead of the page-spanning old one. It gives the page a much cleaner, lighter feel, and helps everything flow together.</p>
<p>A supreme example of the beautiful design you can create with CSS.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Simon</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1545</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2004 23:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like it Doug. The black on the old one made it harder to concentrate on the content. Black pulls my eyes over. Now it&#039;s much more pleasant.

Congrats.

P.S. New logo rocks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like it Doug. The black on the old one made it harder to concentrate on the content. Black pulls my eyes over. Now it&#8217;s much more pleasant.</p>
<p>Congrats.</p>
<p>P.S. New logo rocks.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivan Kurmanov, a passing-by stranger</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1544</link>
		<dc:creator>Ivan Kurmanov, a passing-by stranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2004 23:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand everything you wrote in this post.  I don&#039;t understand one minor point.  This will probably sound stupid to most other readers.

Why do you need to set font-size for your main content&#039;s text?

I know, almost everyone does that.  I know, good browsers allow readers to alter the font size; even IE also can do that in some conditions.  But I never really saw a reasoning for setting the font-size in the first place.

Now you say you&#039;ve put only necessary things in your stylesheet.  So you felt font-size is necessary.  So maybe you can explain, why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand everything you wrote in this post.  I don&#8217;t understand one minor point.  This will probably sound stupid to most other readers.</p>
<p>Why do you need to set font-size for your main content&#8217;s text?</p>
<p>I know, almost everyone does that.  I know, good browsers allow readers to alter the font size; even IE also can do that in some conditions.  But I never really saw a reasoning for setting the font-size in the first place.</p>
<p>Now you say you&#8217;ve put only necessary things in your stylesheet.  So you felt font-size is necessary.  So maybe you can explain, why?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Sequeira</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1543</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Sequeira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2004 19:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this design better than the old one.</description>
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		<title>By: M. Schopman</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1542</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Schopman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2004 14:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally think it is to clean, to empty. Enough whitespace is important, but there&#039;s to much of it right now.

I would love it, when someone stands up, threw the boring &quot;they all are the same&quot; blog layouts in the trashcan, and does something ESPN like with their weblog. Weblogs tend to become boring in layout.

I think weblogs deserve some designing guts, it is all to .... vertically designed ?! :) Background here, building block here, shade here, ... there is room for the links, favorites, and standard validation icons :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally think it is to clean, to empty. Enough whitespace is important, but there&#8217;s to much of it right now.</p>
<p>I would love it, when someone stands up, threw the boring &#8220;they all are the same&#8221; blog layouts in the trashcan, and does something ESPN like with their weblog. Weblogs tend to become boring in layout.</p>
<p>I think weblogs deserve some designing guts, it is all to &#8230;. vertically designed ?! :) Background here, building block here, shade here, &#8230; there is room for the links, favorites, and standard validation icons :P</p>
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		<title>By: s t e f</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1541</link>
		<dc:creator>s t e f</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2004 09:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the difference between an obscure web craftsman and your average Doug Bowman. I&#039;ve been trying to explain my redesign-in-the-making for french-reading people in the last few weeks because the resource is often found amidst english-speaking web celebs, whereas in other languages it&#039;s not that frequent. My redesign will go mostly unnoticed, and the tutorial accompanying it will be read by 15 people.

Not that I&#039;m jealous, mind you. You&#039;ve got talent, man :)

(what the heck, if only 1 person finds it useful and learns something, it&#039;s a good enough reason to write it, eh?)

As always, thanks for the inspirational post, Doug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the difference between an obscure web craftsman and your average Doug Bowman. I&#8217;ve been trying to explain my redesign-in-the-making for french-reading people in the last few weeks because the resource is often found amidst english-speaking web celebs, whereas in other languages it&#8217;s not that frequent. My redesign will go mostly unnoticed, and the tutorial accompanying it will be read by 15 people.</p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;m jealous, mind you. You&#8217;ve got talent, man :)</p>
<p>(what the heck, if only 1 person finds it useful and learns something, it&#8217;s a good enough reason to write it, eh?)</p>
<p>As always, thanks for the inspirational post, Doug.</p>
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		<title>By: Ridhish</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1540</link>
		<dc:creator>Ridhish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2004 07:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Doug,

Looking good, specially like the simplicity of the design, its very effective, you should plan a trip to australia and give a couple of talks out here, i&#039;ll surely be interested in attending one of your seminars...good work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Doug,</p>
<p>Looking good, specially like the simplicity of the design, its very effective, you should plan a trip to australia and give a couple of talks out here, i&#8217;ll surely be interested in attending one of your seminars&#8230;good work</p>
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		<title>By: Ireney Berezniak</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1539</link>
		<dc:creator>Ireney Berezniak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2004 00:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I&#039;m not too crazy about the new design.  I understand that this is a work in progress, and I do realize that this may be fleshed out in the future, but as it stands, this looks like any other amateur design out there.

And I would know ... I&#039;m an amateur ... &gt;8P

You say &quot;the presence of design should simplify our everyday lives, not complicate them&quot; ... what do you mean by &quot;simplify&quot;?  Less visual design/eyecandy, or better accessibility/simpler navigation?  I am convinced that both can coexist peacefully, and it is a mark of a great designer to find the perfect balance between the two.

Your previous design, as a matter of fact, seemed to do a fine job accessability-wise, without sacrificing the visual aspect. This design seems to be a de-volution ... not particularly interesting.

Same with mezzoblue ... the first time I have seen the site, I was impressed by the subtle accents, the fine color selection.  It was a beautiful, smooth design to feast my tired retinae upon, white perfectly accessible ... and now ... I turn back to the orginial design ... it&#039;s a good thing Dave decided to retain it &gt;8P

Has Jakob N. finally gotten to you guys ... are 16px blue hyperlinks circa early 90&#039;s to come back in style &gt;8o

To be fair, retro is a trend in fashion, why should web design be different ...

&gt;8D

I do love the logo!

ib.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;m not too crazy about the new design.  I understand that this is a work in progress, and I do realize that this may be fleshed out in the future, but as it stands, this looks like any other amateur design out there.</p>
<p>And I would know &#8230; I&#8217;m an amateur &#8230; >8P</p>
<p>You say &#8220;the presence of design should simplify our everyday lives, not complicate them&#8221; &#8230; what do you mean by &#8220;simplify&#8221;?  Less visual design/eyecandy, or better accessibility/simpler navigation?  I am convinced that both can coexist peacefully, and it is a mark of a great designer to find the perfect balance between the two.</p>
<p>Your previous design, as a matter of fact, seemed to do a fine job accessability-wise, without sacrificing the visual aspect. This design seems to be a de-volution &#8230; not particularly interesting.</p>
<p>Same with mezzoblue &#8230; the first time I have seen the site, I was impressed by the subtle accents, the fine color selection.  It was a beautiful, smooth design to feast my tired retinae upon, white perfectly accessible &#8230; and now &#8230; I turn back to the orginial design &#8230; it&#8217;s a good thing Dave decided to retain it >8P</p>
<p>Has Jakob N. finally gotten to you guys &#8230; are 16px blue hyperlinks circa early 90&#8242;s to come back in style >8o</p>
<p>To be fair, retro is a trend in fashion, why should web design be different &#8230;</p>
<p>>8D</p>
<p>I do love the logo!</p>
<p>ib.</p>
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		<title>By: Martijn ten Napel</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1538</link>
		<dc:creator>Martijn ten Napel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2004 21:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your observation that a lot of new designs tend to be overly complicated to show off CSS trickery. I&#039;ve felt a strong reaction against it lately, and it seems more people do -- like with everything new fads move through the WWW like wave after wave.

The website still bears your distinctive signature in the design, which is quite an achievement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your observation that a lot of new designs tend to be overly complicated to show off CSS trickery. I&#8217;ve felt a strong reaction against it lately, and it seems more people do &#8212; like with everything new fads move through the WWW like wave after wave.</p>
<p>The website still bears your distinctive signature in the design, which is quite an achievement.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Isaksson</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1537</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Isaksson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2004 17:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to clarify that I did not mean to generalize all blogs as boring and uninspiring, I can mention a dozen that aren&#039;t. But the overall masses of blogs are from a design perspective just that - boring and uninspiring. Sure they are full of good information and writing - but in general they bring nothing new to the design table (aside from the ones unmentioned).

Jeremy, I&#039;m sure most of us who goes here know the power of CSS already - I know I do. But what proof of power is it for someone who&#039;s just starting to learn CSS if he doesn&#039;t get the whole picture?

The reason I&#039;m picking on Douglas in particular though is because his site among some other&#039;s are widely spread among the non-CSS camps as showpieces for what CSS can do (through literature, web articles etc). I&#039;m just worried these type of changes will slow down the process of converting the remaining table-geeks.

CSSvault and CSSZengarden are wonderful at showing off what CSS can do but they alone are not enough. The revolution started (at least for me who used tables since the beginning) with Zeldman and the gang (among them I count Bowman) started spitting out really beautiful websites built with CSS just to prove what you can actually accomplish by separating content from design. When I converted myself I used to look at sites like this and truly be inspired by what you can accomplish - in it&#039;s current state that whole experience is gone.

Of course it&#039;s up to Doglas to decide what he prefer and I&#039;m fine whatever he decides to do. I just want to point out to him how helpful his showcase has been to me during the conversion period and how valuable it would be to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to clarify that I did not mean to generalize all blogs as boring and uninspiring, I can mention a dozen that aren&#8217;t. But the overall masses of blogs are from a design perspective just that &#8211; boring and uninspiring. Sure they are full of good information and writing &#8211; but in general they bring nothing new to the design table (aside from the ones unmentioned).</p>
<p>Jeremy, I&#8217;m sure most of us who goes here know the power of CSS already &#8211; I know I do. But what proof of power is it for someone who&#8217;s just starting to learn CSS if he doesn&#8217;t get the whole picture?</p>
<p>The reason I&#8217;m picking on Douglas in particular though is because his site among some other&#8217;s are widely spread among the non-CSS camps as showpieces for what CSS can do (through literature, web articles etc). I&#8217;m just worried these type of changes will slow down the process of converting the remaining table-geeks.</p>
<p>CSSvault and CSSZengarden are wonderful at showing off what CSS can do but they alone are not enough. The revolution started (at least for me who used tables since the beginning) with Zeldman and the gang (among them I count Bowman) started spitting out really beautiful websites built with CSS just to prove what you can actually accomplish by separating content from design. When I converted myself I used to look at sites like this and truly be inspired by what you can accomplish &#8211; in it&#8217;s current state that whole experience is gone.</p>
<p>Of course it&#8217;s up to Doglas to decide what he prefer and I&#8217;m fine whatever he decides to do. I just want to point out to him how helpful his showcase has been to me during the conversion period and how valuable it would be to others.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1536</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2004 15:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wanted  to point out to Thomas that the only &lt;a href=&quot;http://stopdesign.com/log/2004/05/25/starting_over.html#comment66&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tables&lt;/a&gt; in use on the page are for tabular data: the calendar and the form. (OK, so the jury&#039;s out on whether forms can be construed as tabular data, but I tend to lean toward the liberal interpretation).

Yes, this design is much more minimalist at this point, but the fact is that the only real change is to the stylesheets (correct me if I&#039;m wrong, aside from the one structural change to the HTML Doug cited above, the other changes were unnecessary, except to reduce the weight of the page...). That to me is a testament to the power of CSS design.

Of course, this might be best be served as a teaching exercise; that is to say &quot;sites need not be heavily styled to be well designed.&quot; I understand the fact that the old design was much more of a showpiece, but isn&#039;t that also the role of sites like the CSS Vault and Zen Garden?

Personally I like this design from a usability standpoint - I&#039;m here for the content, and this design brings the content front and center. I think the design complements the content, rather than competing with it. (That&#039;s one of the big selling points for the mezzoblue redesign as well...though that one&#039;s much more controversial.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wanted  to point out to Thomas that the only <a href="http://stopdesign.com/log/2004/05/25/starting_over.html#comment66" rel="nofollow">tables</a> in use on the page are for tabular data: the calendar and the form. (OK, so the jury&#8217;s out on whether forms can be construed as tabular data, but I tend to lean toward the liberal interpretation).</p>
<p>Yes, this design is much more minimalist at this point, but the fact is that the only real change is to the stylesheets (correct me if I&#8217;m wrong, aside from the one structural change to the HTML Doug cited above, the other changes were unnecessary, except to reduce the weight of the page&#8230;). That to me is a testament to the power of CSS design.</p>
<p>Of course, this might be best be served as a teaching exercise; that is to say &#8220;sites need not be heavily styled to be well designed.&#8221; I understand the fact that the old design was much more of a showpiece, but isn&#8217;t that also the role of sites like the CSS Vault and Zen Garden?</p>
<p>Personally I like this design from a usability standpoint &#8211; I&#8217;m here for the content, and this design brings the content front and center. I think the design complements the content, rather than competing with it. (That&#8217;s one of the big selling points for the mezzoblue redesign as well&#8230;though that one&#8217;s much more controversial.)</p>
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		<title>By: zeronine</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/05/25/starting-over.html#comment-1535</link>
		<dc:creator>zeronine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2004 14:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked the old design a little better, but the new design is sweet, and the new logo ROCKS. Keep it up dude /.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the old design a little better, but the new design is sweet, and the new logo ROCKS. Keep it up dude /.</p>
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