Comments on: Introducing Bleached http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html Stopdesign is the creative outlet of Douglas Bowman. Tue, 04 May 2010 11:39:03 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Paul http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2101 Paul Fri, 10 Sep 2004 22:38:36 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2101 White space. But, I'll use 'bleached' if you prefer. I like it. However, not only does this version look like every other Movable Type site out there from a content layout perspective, but White Space in web design is not exactly a new look. 37 signals and Apple, among many others, have been using this layout look and feel for years. Nothing brilliant about it. Neither, for that matter are 'liquid' layouts. Granted liquid works much better in CSS than anyone was ever able to accomplish with tables. In short, I was more impressed with v2. simply because it did not feel like every other Movable Type site out there even though it's content structure was the basically the same. Just an opinion, -prb White space. But, I’ll use ‘bleached’ if you prefer.

I like it.

However, not only does this version look like every other Movable Type site out there from a content layout perspective, but White Space in web design is not exactly a new look. 37 signals and Apple, among many others, have been using this layout look and feel for years.

Nothing brilliant about it.

Neither, for that matter are ‘liquid’ layouts. Granted liquid works much better in CSS than anyone was ever able to accomplish with tables.

In short, I was more impressed with v2. simply because it did not feel like every other Movable Type site out there even though it’s content structure was the basically the same.

Just an opinion,
-prb

]]> By: Fernando Lucas http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2100 Fernando Lucas Mon, 06 Sep 2004 19:32:50 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2100 Damn, this is a nice experiment alright, looks veri minimalistic. But the previous 3-column blueish design was SO AWESOMEEEE!! Are you going back to it? If not, can i have some screen shots of it? I simply loved it. It was brilliant! Damn, this is a nice experiment alright, looks veri minimalistic. But the previous 3-column blueish design was SO AWESOMEEEE!!
Are you going back to it?
If not, can i have some screen shots of it? I simply loved it. It was brilliant!

]]> By: Ben http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2099 Ben Fri, 03 Sep 2004 13:28:08 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2099 Actually Stefan, I beg to differ. I was always a big fan of Doug's v2 design, and I really like the way "Bleached" looks even better for having gone liquid. Without the excessive white space to the left, both the three-column front page and the two column layout of articles feels immenently more readable. Then again, I think you've hit the nail on the head in the good old "Liquid vs. Fixed" debate: I'm viewing this using Firefox on XP maximised to a 1024x768 screen. Perhaps if I was sitting on a G5 with 30" cinema display and a 2560x1600 res, I'd have a different opinion. Ooh, that'd be nice. Actually Stefan, I beg to differ. I was always a big fan of Doug’s v2 design, and I really like the way “Bleached” looks even better for having gone liquid. Without the excessive white space to the left, both the three-column front page and the two column layout of articles feels immenently more readable.

Then again, I think you’ve hit the nail on the head in the good old “Liquid vs. Fixed” debate: I’m viewing this using Firefox on XP maximised to a 1024×768 screen.

Perhaps if I was sitting on a G5 with 30″ cinema display and a 2560×1600 res, I’d have a different opinion. Ooh, that’d be nice.

]]> By: Stefan http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2098 Stefan Fri, 03 Sep 2004 08:51:41 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2098 Now it is liqued... but I think that only creates too long lines. Margins are never wrong, The bigger screnn the more nice with margins. Fix it back to fixed.. Now it is liqued… but I think that only creates too long lines. Margins are never wrong, The bigger screnn the more nice with margins.

Fix it back to fixed..

]]> By: Stewart http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2097 Stewart Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:36:12 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2097 i like it, but i liked the previous look - a lot. i'm stuck between the two... KEEP THE BLEACHED DESIGN. i like it, but i liked the previous look – a lot. i’m stuck between the two…

KEEP THE BLEACHED DESIGN.

]]> By: Tanny O'Haley http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2096 Tanny O'Haley Wed, 01 Sep 2004 18:15:48 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2096 Bleached shows just how good your basic design is and I love it! I only have one problem. In the process of convincing management that Web Standards can produce colorful and beautiful sites, I always show them Stopdesign. Now I can show them a lovely design with great structure, but until you add color again, I can't wow them with all that color. The color pulls them in, then they see the great design. For me I always look forward to going to Stopdesign. Bleached shows just how good your basic design is and I love it! I only have one problem. In the process of convincing management that Web Standards can produce colorful and beautiful sites, I always show them Stopdesign. Now I can show them a lovely design with great structure, but until you add color again, I can’t wow them with all that color. The color pulls them in, then they see the great design.

For me I always look forward to going to Stopdesign.

]]> By: Scott Johnson http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2095 Scott Johnson Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:00:02 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2095 After reading about half of this article, I was hoping that we would be able to see the bleached version far into the future. I was hoping that once you returned to color, you would offer a way to see the bleach once again. And then I read about the style switcher. I'm SO glad you're going to implement that. And I can't wait for <em>Liquid Bleach</em>! After reading about half of this article, I was hoping that we would be able to see the bleached version far into the future. I was hoping that once you returned to color, you would offer a way to see the bleach once again. And then I read about the style switcher. I’m SO glad you’re going to implement that.

And I can’t wait for Liquid Bleach!

]]> By: Ivan Alexander http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2094 Ivan Alexander Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:09:04 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2094 For what it's worth, as someone who's only recently found your site, inspiration to do more and better work is exactly what I've found. Thanks! For what it’s worth, as someone who’s only recently found your site, inspiration to do more and better work is exactly what I’ve found. Thanks!

]]> By: Steven Woods http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2093 Steven Woods Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:33:59 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2093 And I can look at this site at my desk all day now, since it looks like work! No more alt+tabs for me! :D And I can look at this site at my desk all day now, since it looks like work!

No more alt+tabs for me! :D

]]> By: Douglas Bowman http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2092 Douglas Bowman Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:22:34 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2092 <a href="#comment63" rel="nofollow">(63) Scott B</a>: They'll come back soon enough. <a href="#comment64" rel="nofollow">(64) Christopher</a>: Allowing users to choose which one they want is part of the plan. <a href="#comment69" rel="nofollow">(69) Lucian</a>: I certainly hope I don't make anyone want to quit doing design, :-) but rather, the opposite... inspire someone to do even more design, just like other great designers who inspire me. (63) Scott B: They’ll come back soon enough.

(64) Christopher: Allowing users to choose which one they want is part of the plan.

(69) Lucian: I certainly hope I don’t make anyone want to quit doing design, :-) but rather, the opposite… inspire someone to do even more design, just like other great designers who inspire me.

]]> By: max http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2091 max Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:15:34 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2091 It's like when Prince took the bass out of When Dove's Cry. It works pretty well for a specific effect, but I still prefer more color, overall. It’s like when Prince took the bass out of When Dove’s Cry.

It works pretty well for a specific effect, but I still prefer more color, overall.

]]> By: seriocomic http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2090 seriocomic Tue, 31 Aug 2004 12:00:43 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2090 gah! I <a href="http://www.seriocomic.com/rhetoric/posts/2004/08/25/the-one-with-less/" rel="nofollow">announce</a> that I am about to do exactly this and then you beat me to it. Now, when I finally get around to "bleaching" my bloated design, I will be called a copy cat... I guess there are only so many original thoughts to go around. Oh, and yes...I like this temporary look. gah! I announce that I am about to do exactly this and then you beat me to it. Now, when I finally get around to “bleaching” my bloated design, I will be called a copy cat…

I guess there are only so many original thoughts to go around.

Oh, and yes…I like this temporary look.

]]> By: Lucian http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2089 Lucian Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:25:18 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2089 I think this is proof that there's an inner beauty in your work that resonates even without extensive photoshop work. Beautiful work, Doug. You make me want to quit doing web design. :) I think this is proof that there’s an inner beauty in your work that resonates even without extensive photoshop work.

Beautiful work, Doug. You make me want to quit doing web design. :)

]]> By: Michael Swartz http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2088 Michael Swartz Tue, 31 Aug 2004 09:02:23 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2088 I like it. I really appreciate the explanation as to why you chose to do a bleached out version - to put emphasis on the content. A very key point. P.S. I do like the colored one better. Thanks for sharing. I like it. I really appreciate the explanation as to why you chose to do a bleached out version – to put emphasis on the content. A very key point.

P.S. I do like the colored one better.

Thanks for sharing.

]]> By: Steven Marshall http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2087 Steven Marshall Tue, 31 Aug 2004 05:20:39 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2087 Since being forced to spend most of my internet time on a 56k connection I have developed a new appreciation for sites that still work without images and are simply structured. I recently designed by site and had much the same idea in mind of simplifying things to the bare bones. it was hard to resist adding a bit of complexity (read; fluff) but it's probably going to stand up as a design for much longer. Since being forced to spend most of my internet time on a 56k connection I have developed a new appreciation for sites that still work without images and are simply structured.

I recently designed by site and had much the same idea in mind of simplifying things to the bare bones. it was hard to resist adding a bit of complexity (read; fluff) but it’s probably going to stand up as a design for much longer.

]]> By: Ron Akanowicz http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2086 Ron Akanowicz Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:19:16 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2086 Oh, so check out my site as I follow along: www.softerware.net Oh, so check out my site as I follow along:
http://www.softerware.net

]]> By: Ron Akanowicz http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2085 Ron Akanowicz Tue, 31 Aug 2004 04:08:57 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2085 I love the idea of the bleached site. It was totally inspirational to me and so I've started the resdesign of my site that I've been putting off for lack of direction. Stopdesign is a site that I read and respect and am thrilled at the idea of virtually mentoring by watching what happens here! Thanks! I love the idea of the bleached site. It was totally inspirational to me and so I’ve started the resdesign of my site that I’ve been putting off for lack of direction.
Stopdesign is a site that I read and respect and am thrilled at the idea of virtually mentoring by watching what happens here!
Thanks!

]]> By: Christopher Crogan http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2084 Christopher Crogan Tue, 31 Aug 2004 02:23:34 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2084 I love it!!! I know you stated temporarily, but perhaps you could give users the option of color vs. bleach. Thanks for all your work. I visit often and learn more each time. I love it!!! I know you stated temporarily, but perhaps you could give users the option of color vs. bleach. Thanks for all your work. I visit often and learn more each time.

]]> By: Scott B. http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2083 Scott B. Tue, 31 Aug 2004 00:47:50 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2083 As I <a href="http://stopdesign.com/log/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment46" title="See?" rel="nofollow">said</a> before, I love "Bleached". But now, you've run your experiment; give us the colors back! They're so beautiful... As I said before, I love “Bleached”. But now, you’ve run your experiment; give us the colors back! They’re so beautiful…

]]> By: Joen http://stopdesign.com/archive/2004/08/27/bleached.html#comment-2082 Joen Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:38:39 +0000 http://70.32.90.75/?p=218#comment-2082 I like this version a lot. Maybe even more so than the original version. I realize you're not looking for suggestions to improvement, but I honestly think the only weak part in this "temporary redesign" and base stylesheet is the comments. The grayish backgrounds for each comment stand out quite a lot in contrast to the soft lines that frame the rest of the site. I'd go for either _much_ softer gray backgrounds, or perhaps just a 1px border? Maybe nothing, and just flip-flopping comment number colors? I like this version a lot. Maybe even more so than the original version.

I realize you’re not looking for suggestions to improvement, but I honestly think the only weak part in this “temporary redesign” and base stylesheet is the comments. The grayish backgrounds for each comment stand out quite a lot in contrast to the soft lines that frame the rest of the site.

I’d go for either _much_ softer gray backgrounds, or perhaps just a 1px border? Maybe nothing, and just flip-flopping comment number colors?

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