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	<description>Stopdesign is the creative outlet of Douglas Bowman.</description>
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		<title>By: Matt Harris</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3116</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2005 01:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Doug - another post that is both helpful and usable!</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Moncur</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3115</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Moncur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2005 05:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks--I just implemented this on one of my sites.

One minor issue: I think you need to add an additional RewriteCond directive for each of the RewriteRule directives.

Until I did that, FeedBurner got a &quot;feed is eating itself&quot; error on all but the first feed in the RewriteRule list. The mod_rewrite documentation confirms that RewriteCond only applies to the next RewriteRule, not all of them.

This only applies if you&#039;re using the same URL as the feed source for FeedBurner and as the redirected feed for everyone else. From what I read here, it appears that you&#039;re using a separate URL for FeedBurner to read, so you don&#039;t need the RewriteCond directive at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks&#8211;I just implemented this on one of my sites.</p>
<p>One minor issue: I think you need to add an additional RewriteCond directive for each of the RewriteRule directives.</p>
<p>Until I did that, FeedBurner got a &#8220;feed is eating itself&#8221; error on all but the first feed in the RewriteRule list. The mod_rewrite documentation confirms that RewriteCond only applies to the next RewriteRule, not all of them.</p>
<p>This only applies if you&#8217;re using the same URL as the feed source for FeedBurner and as the redirected feed for everyone else. From what I read here, it appears that you&#8217;re using a separate URL for FeedBurner to read, so you don&#8217;t need the RewriteCond directive at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Aristotle Pagaltzis</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3114</link>
		<dc:creator>Aristotle Pagaltzis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 06:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh.

There goes the Atom feed. I always pick Atom when I&#8217;m given the option, and until now there was an Atom feed available from Stopdesign. But I can&#8217;t figure out how to make FeedBurner give me an Atom feed.

I guess RSS is what&#8217;s for dinner, like it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh.</p>
<p>There goes the Atom feed. I always pick Atom when I&#8217;m given the option, and until now there was an Atom feed available from Stopdesign. But I can&#8217;t figure out how to make FeedBurner give me an Atom feed.</p>
<p>I guess RSS is what&#8217;s for dinner, like it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3113</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 01:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[OFF-TOPIC]

I was just wondering that every time I hear something about syndication (RSS, ATOM) , its always to publish a feed. But nobody cares about how to display them in HTML. There are millions of feeds available, but I bet, 1 % of them are being posted in form of HTML. I tried to search for a nice php/java/perl script that easily converts feeds into HTML, amd I agree that one can get those from http://www.hotscripts.com , but it is insanely hard for most people to implement them! Moreover, there are issues about CSS designs of those feeds in HTML.

I use MovableType for my site (www.arrfans.com){under construction}, and luckily there is one neat plugin available for MT !!! Otherwise, I was screwed !

I hope someone comes up with solution like Feedburner for displaying feeds in HTML... From my knowledge, there is one service called Feedroll, but it sucks big time since the parser is not on my own server.</description>
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<p>I was just wondering that every time I hear something about syndication (RSS, ATOM) , its always to publish a feed. But nobody cares about how to display them in HTML. There are millions of feeds available, but I bet, 1 % of them are being posted in form of HTML. I tried to search for a nice php/java/perl script that easily converts feeds into HTML, amd I agree that one can get those from <a href="http://www.hotscripts.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.hotscripts.com</a> , but it is insanely hard for most people to implement them! Moreover, there are issues about CSS designs of those feeds in HTML.</p>
<p>I use MovableType for my site (www.arrfans.com){under construction}, and luckily there is one neat plugin available for MT !!! Otherwise, I was screwed !</p>
<p>I hope someone comes up with solution like Feedburner for displaying feeds in HTML&#8230; From my knowledge, there is one service called Feedroll, but it sucks big time since the parser is not on my own server.</p>
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		<title>By: John Y.</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3112</link>
		<dc:creator>John Y.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2005 01:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the over/under on how long until Feedburner starts putting ads into the feeds they&#039;re serving? 6 months? A year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the over/under on how long until Feedburner starts putting ads into the feeds they&#8217;re serving? 6 months? A year?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil! Gregory</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3111</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil! Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 17:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want your use of Feedburner to be completely transparent to your
users, you can use &#039;P&#039; instead of &#039;R&#039; in the flags for your rewrite rule.
&#039;P&#039; will cause apache to act as a transparent reverse proxy; it will fetch
the real URL and serve its content back to the original requestor.

This, of course, causes a net increase in bandwidth usage, especially for
your site host, but it will, I think, accomplish exactly what you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want your use of Feedburner to be completely transparent to your<br />
users, you can use &#8216;P&#8217; instead of &#8216;R&#8217; in the flags for your rewrite rule.<br />
&#8216;P&#8217; will cause apache to act as a transparent reverse proxy; it will fetch<br />
the real URL and serve its content back to the original requestor.</p>
<p>This, of course, causes a net increase in bandwidth usage, especially for<br />
your site host, but it will, I think, accomplish exactly what you want.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon McLean</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3110</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon McLean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To comment on Jordi&#039;s comment:

Remove the geek element from this... FeedBurner IS good.

For those less technically minded, but who know about &quot;news feeds&quot; (but not how the technology works), the confusion is understandable. RSS or Atom? What&#039;s all that?? Why is there a choice? Should I offer both? Help me I&#039;m confused?!!

Enter FeedBurner. Follow the instructions and don&#039;t worry about all those RSS 1.0, 0.x, Atom thingys. It&#039;s understandable why it appeals.

As for scalability, I don&#039;t think the entire world WILL use it, same as we don&#039;t all use Blogger, or WordPress or Movable Type etc etc. I&#039;m sure other services like this will spring up as RSS spreads.

(Ohh and shouldn&#039;t we change the name RSS... it&#039;s hardly simple these days! ;-) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To comment on Jordi&#8217;s comment:</p>
<p>Remove the geek element from this&#8230; FeedBurner IS good.</p>
<p>For those less technically minded, but who know about &#8220;news feeds&#8221; (but not how the technology works), the confusion is understandable. RSS or Atom? What&#8217;s all that?? Why is there a choice? Should I offer both? Help me I&#8217;m confused?!!</p>
<p>Enter FeedBurner. Follow the instructions and don&#8217;t worry about all those RSS 1.0, 0.x, Atom thingys. It&#8217;s understandable why it appeals.</p>
<p>As for scalability, I don&#8217;t think the entire world WILL use it, same as we don&#8217;t all use Blogger, or WordPress or Movable Type etc etc. I&#8217;m sure other services like this will spring up as RSS spreads.</p>
<p>(Ohh and shouldn&#8217;t we change the name RSS&#8230; it&#8217;s hardly simple these days! ;-) )</p>
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		<title>By: 1985</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3109</link>
		<dc:creator>1985</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, transparent redirect isn&#039;t a bad thing, redirecting the client to another location without him knowing it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, transparent redirect isn&#8217;t a bad thing, redirecting the client to another location without him knowing it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Scrivs</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3108</link>
		<dc:creator>Scrivs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny I just wrote a &lt;a href=&quot;http://workboxers.com/webmaster_tools/feedburner_review.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FeedBurner review&lt;/a&gt; today and the comments I have received are making me question using it for my other sites. I don&#039;t want my readers timing out while trying to get to my content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny I just wrote a <a href="http://workboxers.com/webmaster_tools/feedburner_review.php" rel="nofollow">FeedBurner review</a> today and the comments I have received are making me question using it for my other sites. I don&#8217;t want my readers timing out while trying to get to my content.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3107</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait... why would a transparent redirect be a bad thing?  I don&#039;t see how that could be a security vulnerability.  Also, couldn&#039;t you just use magpieRSS or something of the like to cache the feedburner feed and that would prevent the need to 302 your users?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait&#8230; why would a transparent redirect be a bad thing?  I don&#8217;t see how that could be a security vulnerability.  Also, couldn&#8217;t you just use magpieRSS or something of the like to cache the feedburner feed and that would prevent the need to 302 your users?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike P.</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3106</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 21:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Josh, that is what we concluded.</description>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3105</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1985, that&#039;s a good point.

Getting back to Mike P&#039;s Opera comment though,
it would appear that Opera is being sent a 302 HTTP code which it is not respecting? (&quot;&lt;cite&gt;302 Found
The requested resource resides temporarily under a different URI. Since the redirection might be altered on occasion, the client SHOULD continue to use the Request-URI for future requests.&lt;/cite&gt;&quot; (&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html&lt;/a&gt;))

Good to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1985, that&#8217;s a good point.</p>
<p>Getting back to Mike P&#8217;s Opera comment though,<br />
it would appear that Opera is being sent a 302 HTTP code which it is not respecting? (&#8220;<cite>302 Found<br />
The requested resource resides temporarily under a different URI. Since the redirection might be altered on occasion, the client SHOULD continue to use the Request-URI for future requests.</cite>&#8221; (<a href='http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html' rel="nofollow">http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html</a>))</p>
<p>Good to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordi Bunster</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3104</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordi Bunster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see what all the fuss is about. Not to sound like a troll, but the entire world using a third party website for syndication is just not going to scale.

Your CMS has templates for both. Use them, add them to auto discovery, link to one. You pick.

What&#039;s the big deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see what all the fuss is about. Not to sound like a troll, but the entire world using a third party website for syndication is just not going to scale.</p>
<p>Your CMS has templates for both. Use them, add them to auto discovery, link to one. You pick.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the big deal?</p>
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		<title>By: 1985</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3103</link>
		<dc:creator>1985</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, isn&#039;t the behaviour you described called cross-site scripting? It&#039;s a security exploit actually</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, isn&#8217;t the behaviour you described called cross-site scripting? It&#8217;s a security exploit actually</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Moore</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3102</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been hearing more and more about FeedBurner lately, but I still haven&#039;t set aside the time to check it out.

I will probably do so sometime soon, but I&#039;ll admit I&#039;m concerned about letting someone else have control of my feeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been hearing more and more about FeedBurner lately, but I still haven&#8217;t set aside the time to check it out.</p>
<p>I will probably do so sometime soon, but I&#8217;ll admit I&#8217;m concerned about letting someone else have control of my feeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3101</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That simple 1-page form can get pretty complicated if look through all the various options they have available. There&#039;s almost too many features, and a lot of them seem to do similar things. It all makes more sense once you read the detailed descriptions, but the difference between &quot;Convert Format Burner&quot; and &quot;SmartFeed&quot; isn&#039;t immediately obvious.

I&#039;ve been using them to burn 6 different feeds for about a month now and have been completely satisfied. No problems or complaints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That simple 1-page form can get pretty complicated if look through all the various options they have available. There&#8217;s almost too many features, and a lot of them seem to do similar things. It all makes more sense once you read the detailed descriptions, but the difference between &#8220;Convert Format Burner&#8221; and &#8220;SmartFeed&#8221; isn&#8217;t immediately obvious.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been using them to burn 6 different feeds for about a month now and have been completely satisfied. No problems or complaints.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3100</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we positive that Opera is wrong in its behavior? From some googling, I believe that the [R] flag will default to a 302 redirect (&quot;Temporarily Moved&quot;), but that by specifying a fully resolved URL rather than a relative URL, the RewriteRule forces an external redirect. (the &lt;a href=&#039;http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_rewrite.html#RewriteRule&#039; title=&#039;Apache mod_rewrite documentation&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;docs&lt;/a&gt;)

This all means, as I quasi-grok, that this method is NOT transparent to the client requesting the feed. Not that I have a solution.

Does anyone know: is there a mod_rewrite solution that will allow a &lt;em&gt;silent&lt;/em&gt; redirect to an external URI?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we positive that Opera is wrong in its behavior? From some googling, I believe that the [R] flag will default to a 302 redirect (&#8220;Temporarily Moved&#8221;), but that by specifying a fully resolved URL rather than a relative URL, the RewriteRule forces an external redirect. (the <a href='http://httpd.apache.org/docs/mod/mod_rewrite.html#RewriteRule' title='Apache mod_rewrite documentation' rel="nofollow">docs</a>)</p>
<p>This all means, as I quasi-grok, that this method is NOT transparent to the client requesting the feed. Not that I have a solution.</p>
<p>Does anyone know: is there a mod_rewrite solution that will allow a <em>silent</em> redirect to an external URI?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Priestap</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3099</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Priestap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you&#039;re enjoying it too. Makes things so much simpler, especially for my millions of readers. (cough)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you&#8217;re enjoying it too. Makes things so much simpler, especially for my millions of readers. (cough)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike P.</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3098</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feedburner has been a great little tool. It&#039;s nice to see the stats, for sure, and that smartfeed is quite slick.

Just an FYI, I did find some glitches with that redirect you (and many of us) use. Basically, some feedreaders (I only really found it to be Opera) will rewrite the stored url to the feedburner url. So if you ever leave Feedburner, you may lose some users.

I&#039;ve only seen a handlful of Opera users in my stats though, so it&#039;s not a huge issue, as far as I can tell. (I wrote about all of this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.fiftyfoureleven.com/weblog/web-development/delivering-redirecting-rss-feeds&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feedburner has been a great little tool. It&#8217;s nice to see the stats, for sure, and that smartfeed is quite slick.</p>
<p>Just an FYI, I did find some glitches with that redirect you (and many of us) use. Basically, some feedreaders (I only really found it to be Opera) will rewrite the stored url to the feedburner url. So if you ever leave Feedburner, you may lose some users.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only seen a handlful of Opera users in my stats though, so it&#8217;s not a huge issue, as far as I can tell. (I wrote about all of this <a href="http://www.fiftyfoureleven.com/weblog/web-development/delivering-redirecting-rss-feeds" rel="nofollow">here</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/04/20/feedburning.html#comment-3097</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been trying to think of a way to get all my old feeds to point to Feedburner--which I agree is great--I guess I missed that mod_rewrite soluition.  It&#039;s a keeper!  Thanks for reposting that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been trying to think of a way to get all my old feeds to point to Feedburner&#8211;which I agree is great&#8211;I guess I missed that mod_rewrite soluition.  It&#8217;s a keeper!  Thanks for reposting that.</p>
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