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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3479</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2005 01:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, as a speaker I could care less if someone chooses to pay attention elsewhere. I speak to those who listen and work hard to deliver up gems of wisdom to make it worth their time and money. As to those who don&#039;t listen - forget asking me after the lecture what I said - as I too have priorities. Class out? Time to socialize. Class was for the learning part. ;-P (I, too, can have a bad attitude.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, as a speaker I could care less if someone chooses to pay attention elsewhere. I speak to those who listen and work hard to deliver up gems of wisdom to make it worth their time and money. As to those who don&#8217;t listen &#8211; forget asking me after the lecture what I said &#8211; as I too have priorities. Class out? Time to socialize. Class was for the learning part. ;-P (I, too, can have a bad attitude.)</p>
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		<title>By: karl Dubost</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3478</link>
		<dc:creator>karl Dubost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the best conferences I have attended which was using WIFI was in Montr√©al. There were people presenting Talks, there were webloggers in the room writing posts and blogging live the conference. A curator was going through the posts online and was displaying on an additional screen the comments of the crowd in the room that they just blogged at the same time the talk was given.

* It was fun.
* It was a live interaction between the presenter and the silent thinking of the crowd (aka. &quot;Oh this talk sucks&quot; or &quot;That&#039;s just great, he said that‚Ä¶&quot;)
* It&#039;s not anymore a passive listening, but active, a kind of game.
* If the presenter is good enough, he will interact that the live comments. For example, a negative comment pops up on a weblog about something which has been said then the presenter can address the issue.


You also can do that with an IRC channel displayed where people are commenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the best conferences I have attended which was using WIFI was in Montr√©al. There were people presenting Talks, there were webloggers in the room writing posts and blogging live the conference. A curator was going through the posts online and was displaying on an additional screen the comments of the crowd in the room that they just blogged at the same time the talk was given.</p>
<p>* It was fun.<br />
* It was a live interaction between the presenter and the silent thinking of the crowd (aka. &#8220;Oh this talk sucks&#8221; or &#8220;That&#8217;s just great, he said that‚Ä¶&#8221;)<br />
* It&#8217;s not anymore a passive listening, but active, a kind of game.<br />
* If the presenter is good enough, he will interact that the live comments. For example, a negative comment pops up on a weblog about something which has been said then the presenter can address the issue.</p>
<p>You also can do that with an IRC channel displayed where people are commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan √Ökesson</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3477</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan √Ökesson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard this teacher at a course in ayurveda first told all students to put down their notebooks. They should only listen...

I think the best approach is to not let anyone take any notes, use a laptop, PDA ot whatever but only listen. The human mind can only concentrate 100% at one thing at a time.

Print outs of the presentation should be hanlded out later, it could be notes or the complete presentation.

This will also make the seminar, conference, presentation etc more relaxing for everyone, even thouh some in the beginning will feel restless not using laptops and stuff...

Stefan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard this teacher at a course in ayurveda first told all students to put down their notebooks. They should only listen&#8230;</p>
<p>I think the best approach is to not let anyone take any notes, use a laptop, PDA ot whatever but only listen. The human mind can only concentrate 100% at one thing at a time.</p>
<p>Print outs of the presentation should be hanlded out later, it could be notes or the complete presentation.</p>
<p>This will also make the seminar, conference, presentation etc more relaxing for everyone, even thouh some in the beginning will feel restless not using laptops and stuff&#8230;</p>
<p>Stefan</p>
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		<title>By: gavin j</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3476</link>
		<dc:creator>gavin j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2005 03:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t brow-beat an audience to pay attention -- you have to win it. WiFi is here to stay and asking people to ignore it might get you off on the wrong foot.

I would think that most attendees are at a presentation because they want to be. They are truly interested in the topic but something just goes wrong and they drift off into laptopland. Sometimes it can be the speaker, but I don&#039;t believe that is the case with Doug. He is a very engaging presenter -- not boring at all.

The distraction of the laptop is that some people think they can multi task. What they are really doing is dividing their attention;
&quot;Mmm? Oh..  yes, yes I am listening. Do go on...&quot;
People tend to pay more attention to what they are reading -- listening is secondary.
The speaker can eventually become like background music.

Possibly the only way to completely engage these people is to compete for their desktop. If they are going to pull out a laptop make sure they are using it to enhance the presentation -- whether it be AIM, expanded online examples, or whatever. Grab them at the beginning when their attention is still strong, though don&#039;t make it so that those who don&#039;t have laptops feel they are missing out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t brow-beat an audience to pay attention &#8212; you have to win it. WiFi is here to stay and asking people to ignore it might get you off on the wrong foot.</p>
<p>I would think that most attendees are at a presentation because they want to be. They are truly interested in the topic but something just goes wrong and they drift off into laptopland. Sometimes it can be the speaker, but I don&#8217;t believe that is the case with Doug. He is a very engaging presenter &#8212; not boring at all.</p>
<p>The distraction of the laptop is that some people think they can multi task. What they are really doing is dividing their attention;<br />
&#8220;Mmm? Oh..  yes, yes I am listening. Do go on&#8230;&#8221;<br />
People tend to pay more attention to what they are reading &#8212; listening is secondary.<br />
The speaker can eventually become like background music.</p>
<p>Possibly the only way to completely engage these people is to compete for their desktop. If they are going to pull out a laptop make sure they are using it to enhance the presentation &#8212; whether it be AIM, expanded online examples, or whatever. Grab them at the beginning when their attention is still strong, though don&#8217;t make it so that those who don&#8217;t have laptops feel they are missing out!</p>
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		<title>By: Kees Lemmens</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3475</link>
		<dc:creator>Kees Lemmens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to comment 28 by Nathan; indeed most university campuses support WiFi, only it&#039;s remarkable how bad their security is, an issue what should be considered carefully; especially since it is too easy to monitor what each connected computer is reviewing, visiting or whatever it is doing. Network monitoring programs allow us to monitor each connected computer from any random chosen connected computer.

To return to the starting point of this topic, you might be able to get your audience more attended when you warn them for the risks of using the WiFi, something like: All you, who are using the WiFi here, are you aware that anyone can see what you are doing? Are you aware of the fact that you have absolutely no privacy despite how good your firewalls are? You never know who is watching you, it could be me :). I would appreciate it most if you listed to me speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to comment 28 by Nathan; indeed most university campuses support WiFi, only it&#8217;s remarkable how bad their security is, an issue what should be considered carefully; especially since it is too easy to monitor what each connected computer is reviewing, visiting or whatever it is doing. Network monitoring programs allow us to monitor each connected computer from any random chosen connected computer.</p>
<p>To return to the starting point of this topic, you might be able to get your audience more attended when you warn them for the risks of using the WiFi, something like: All you, who are using the WiFi here, are you aware that anyone can see what you are doing? Are you aware of the fact that you have absolutely no privacy despite how good your firewalls are? You never know who is watching you, it could be me :). I would appreciate it most if you listed to me speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Smith</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3474</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Aug 2005 05:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a grad student, and at my school we have wirless internet at most every building on campus.  It&#039;s funny to look around the room during class and see not only that people aren&#039;t paying attention, but to note the types of things that they are wasting time on.

Most of it is email / IM&#039;ing, and web-surfing, with the occasional glances at fantasy football/baseball sites.  It is interesting to me that we as students shell out all this money for our education, and then sit there absent-mindedly letting it all passively slip by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a grad student, and at my school we have wirless internet at most every building on campus.  It&#8217;s funny to look around the room during class and see not only that people aren&#8217;t paying attention, but to note the types of things that they are wasting time on.</p>
<p>Most of it is email / IM&#8217;ing, and web-surfing, with the occasional glances at fantasy football/baseball sites.  It is interesting to me that we as students shell out all this money for our education, and then sit there absent-mindedly letting it all passively slip by.</p>
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		<title>By: Martijn ten Napel</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3473</link>
		<dc:creator>Martijn ten Napel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One experiment I have used once (before Wifi was available) was a system of voting boxes. Everyone in the audience had a voting box with a red and a green button.

During the lecture we used some questions before we plunged into a new subject and asked the audience vote on a question using the buttons. The system calculated results and we used those in the presentation. Audience attention (and anticipation) rose during the lecture and we had a very relaxed, fun, highly interactive session. Unfortinaly, to get such a system for a session is rather expensive in relation to overall costs.

I guess using a simple webserver hooked into the network and some server side language scripting could make up for a simple voting system to be used in a lecture and be cost efficient. That would be leveraging the WiFi environment present.

Preparation though is much harder. You must have different scenario&#039;s in your lecture based on possible outcomes, but it can be very worthwhile in my experience.

Voting is a split-second task, while typing takes up more time and concentration. I do have problems myself taking notes and listen attentivly at the same time. I think WiKi pages or communal blogs take away a lot of the attention in the first place and makes the life of the presentor much harder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One experiment I have used once (before Wifi was available) was a system of voting boxes. Everyone in the audience had a voting box with a red and a green button.</p>
<p>During the lecture we used some questions before we plunged into a new subject and asked the audience vote on a question using the buttons. The system calculated results and we used those in the presentation. Audience attention (and anticipation) rose during the lecture and we had a very relaxed, fun, highly interactive session. Unfortinaly, to get such a system for a session is rather expensive in relation to overall costs.</p>
<p>I guess using a simple webserver hooked into the network and some server side language scripting could make up for a simple voting system to be used in a lecture and be cost efficient. That would be leveraging the WiFi environment present.</p>
<p>Preparation though is much harder. You must have different scenario&#8217;s in your lecture based on possible outcomes, but it can be very worthwhile in my experience.</p>
<p>Voting is a split-second task, while typing takes up more time and concentration. I do have problems myself taking notes and listen attentivly at the same time. I think WiKi pages or communal blogs take away a lot of the attention in the first place and makes the life of the presentor much harder.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Drake</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3472</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 16:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I teach photography at a local college and have spoken at several conferences. I can add that the audience&#039;s participation is critical. I don&#039;t use notecards or scripts, I like to have a very brief outline in my head and make sure I hit the points. I have no problem going into  tangents if the subjects begin to shift.

When I have a class that is interested, the speaking on my part is much better. When the class is disinterested, I feel like the semester was wasted.  As a teacher, I can ignore those who are simply sitting in the chair for class credit and spend extra time with those that want to learn.

As a speaker, I start using more jokes and asking the audience for questions, what do you not understand?

How does this relate to wifi?  If you have something more important on your mind, do it. It won&#039;t bother me. But if the whole room is doing something, even if they are just using AIM to discuss the fact that I buttoned my shirt wrong, I would be missing the connection that makes a conference more effective.

The lack of wifi at the @media was a bummer for about 5 minutes and then I got over it. I was at a recent Museums on the Web conference and their super-powered wifi actually reached my hotel room several floors up. THAT was nice! I didn&#039;t have to pay the hotel&#039;s $20/day charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach photography at a local college and have spoken at several conferences. I can add that the audience&#8217;s participation is critical. I don&#8217;t use notecards or scripts, I like to have a very brief outline in my head and make sure I hit the points. I have no problem going into  tangents if the subjects begin to shift.</p>
<p>When I have a class that is interested, the speaking on my part is much better. When the class is disinterested, I feel like the semester was wasted.  As a teacher, I can ignore those who are simply sitting in the chair for class credit and spend extra time with those that want to learn.</p>
<p>As a speaker, I start using more jokes and asking the audience for questions, what do you not understand?</p>
<p>How does this relate to wifi?  If you have something more important on your mind, do it. It won&#8217;t bother me. But if the whole room is doing something, even if they are just using AIM to discuss the fact that I buttoned my shirt wrong, I would be missing the connection that makes a conference more effective.</p>
<p>The lack of wifi at the @media was a bummer for about 5 minutes and then I got over it. I was at a recent Museums on the Web conference and their super-powered wifi actually reached my hotel room several floors up. THAT was nice! I didn&#8217;t have to pay the hotel&#8217;s $20/day charge.</p>
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		<title>By: Knut Karnapp</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3471</link>
		<dc:creator>Knut Karnapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment19&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;#19&lt;/a&gt; You&#039;re way too late, If I remember right you fixed it a few weeks ago, right doug?

I have to add a small quotation from a professor:

&lt;cite&gt;The presenter knows, what he&#039;s about to say. Connecting to the people is the challenge of the upcoming decade.&lt;/cite&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment19" rel="nofollow">#19</a> You&#8217;re way too late, If I remember right you fixed it a few weeks ago, right doug?</p>
<p>I have to add a small quotation from a professor:</p>
<p><cite>The presenter knows, what he&#8217;s about to say. Connecting to the people is the challenge of the upcoming decade.</cite></p>
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		<title>By: Brian O'Neill</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3470</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to the performer&#039;s life Doug ;-)</description>
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		<title>By: Gavin j</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3469</link>
		<dc:creator>Gavin j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 05:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Richard Wright:

A presentation is a stage show and the audience is very much apart of the whole experience. If the audience is unresponsive the experience is lessened.

&quot;I can do what I damn well please&quot; is the standard cry of the selfish egocentric. Other people paid for the event as well so try not to stuff it up for them. If you are not interested in the presentation go outside. Or, as Doug mentioned, at least sit at the back.

Ed wrote:
&quot;...People have the right to set $100 bills on fire in the street, too...&quot;
Not in Australia, it is illegal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Richard Wright:</p>
<p>A presentation is a stage show and the audience is very much apart of the whole experience. If the audience is unresponsive the experience is lessened.</p>
<p>&#8220;I can do what I damn well please&#8221; is the standard cry of the selfish egocentric. Other people paid for the event as well so try not to stuff it up for them. If you are not interested in the presentation go outside. Or, as Doug mentioned, at least sit at the back.</p>
<p>Ed wrote:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;People have the right to set $100 bills on fire in the street, too&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Not in Australia, it is illegal!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2005 00:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If something is set up so that people can interact with the presenter - then fine.
Otherwise, there are two aspects.
The first is common courtesy. I think it is rude to go to any kind of presentation and to do otherwise than at least try to give the speaker your full attention.
Secondly, a talk of any kind is a two way interaction. The response of the audience affects the speaker. If they do not pay attention then the speaker invariably goes downhill.
If the presentation is boring part of the reason could be the audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If something is set up so that people can interact with the presenter &#8211; then fine.<br />
Otherwise, there are two aspects.<br />
The first is common courtesy. I think it is rude to go to any kind of presentation and to do otherwise than at least try to give the speaker your full attention.<br />
Secondly, a talk of any kind is a two way interaction. The response of the audience affects the speaker. If they do not pay attention then the speaker invariably goes downhill.<br />
If the presentation is boring part of the reason could be the audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Bowman</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3467</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Bowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 23:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, attempting to pull this discussion back inline with what I was originally wondering...

If wifi is available, and people do have laptops out and open, what are other ways speakers can take advantage of this -- rather than allowing the scenario to be a distraction?

In addition to the AIM/IRC channels already mentioned, I could also imagine a wiki set up in advance -- either a global wiki for the entire event, with pages for each session, or at least one set up just for that session. Or even just a blog post, with open comments. Either one of these could potentially allow even people not attending the conference to semi-participate without being there if they knew exactly what time the speaker/panel was presenting.

We kind of did this at SXSW this past year for the panel John Allsopp moderated on &lt;a href=&quot;http://2005.sxsw.com/interactive/conference/panels/?action=show&amp;id=IAP0017&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Web Design 2010&lt;/a&gt;: the future of the Web. Dave Shea set up a &lt;a href=&quot;http://sxsw2005.mezzoblue.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;blog&lt;/a&gt; for the purposes of continuing the discussion. Though there could have been more active uses of it during the panel. I don&#039;t know. We tried to set up a SubEthaEdit doc for collabortive editing for the same session, but the network kept going in and out, dropping everyone each time, so it didn&#039;t work for us.

What other means are there?

&lt;em&gt;fyi, I don&#039;t care to judge anyone who opens a laptop and checks email, or whatever. I know I&#039;ve done it once or twice, especially if I&#039;m bored or the speaker loses my attention (and/or respect). It&#039;s their perogative if wifi is made available. However, if you know you&#039;re going into a presentation where you might be using the laptop more than paying active attention, it&#039;s probably common courtesy to at least sit in the very back where others behind you can&#039;t see your screen and don&#039;t know that you aren&#039;t taking notes.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, attempting to pull this discussion back inline with what I was originally wondering&#8230;</p>
<p>If wifi is available, and people do have laptops out and open, what are other ways speakers can take advantage of this &#8212; rather than allowing the scenario to be a distraction?</p>
<p>In addition to the AIM/IRC channels already mentioned, I could also imagine a wiki set up in advance &#8212; either a global wiki for the entire event, with pages for each session, or at least one set up just for that session. Or even just a blog post, with open comments. Either one of these could potentially allow even people not attending the conference to semi-participate without being there if they knew exactly what time the speaker/panel was presenting.</p>
<p>We kind of did this at SXSW this past year for the panel John Allsopp moderated on <a href="http://2005.sxsw.com/interactive/conference/panels/?action=show&amp;id=IAP0017" rel="nofollow">Web Design 2010</a>: the future of the Web. Dave Shea set up a <a href="http://sxsw2005.mezzoblue.com/" rel="nofollow">blog</a> for the purposes of continuing the discussion. Though there could have been more active uses of it during the panel. I don&#8217;t know. We tried to set up a SubEthaEdit doc for collabortive editing for the same session, but the network kept going in and out, dropping everyone each time, so it didn&#8217;t work for us.</p>
<p>What other means are there?</p>
<p><em>fyi, I don&#8217;t care to judge anyone who opens a laptop and checks email, or whatever. I know I&#8217;ve done it once or twice, especially if I&#8217;m bored or the speaker loses my attention (and/or respect). It&#8217;s their perogative if wifi is made available. However, if you know you&#8217;re going into a presentation where you might be using the laptop more than paying active attention, it&#8217;s probably common courtesy to at least sit in the very back where others behind you can&#8217;t see your screen and don&#8217;t know that you aren&#8217;t taking notes.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Bowman</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3466</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Bowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoever that was above, I guess you have your answer.</description>
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		<title>By: Douglas Bowman</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3465</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Bowman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 22:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you format comments as coming from the author based on the name or on the e-mail as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you format comments as coming from the author based on the name or on the e-mail as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Martijn ten Napel</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3464</link>
		<dc:creator>Martijn ten Napel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of Wifi: I don&#039;t understand why you bother to (a) go in the first place and (b) remain seated if the subject does not interest you.

I&#039;ve spoken at a lot of different places and I&#039;ve actually once thrown a gentleman out because he was telephoning rather loudly in the middle of the audience. Needless I used him as an example, since the subject was &quot;dealing with resistance in a new IT project&quot; ;-)

I think I would give a big jerk at the ethernetcable that leads to the router somewhere during the speech or beforehand. Or simply request to keep laptops closed or walk out if you cannot be offline for one second.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of Wifi: I don&#8217;t understand why you bother to (a) go in the first place and (b) remain seated if the subject does not interest you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spoken at a lot of different places and I&#8217;ve actually once thrown a gentleman out because he was telephoning rather loudly in the middle of the audience. Needless I used him as an example, since the subject was &#8220;dealing with resistance in a new IT project&#8221; ;-)</p>
<p>I think I would give a big jerk at the ethernetcable that leads to the router somewhere during the speech or beforehand. Or simply request to keep laptops closed or walk out if you cannot be offline for one second.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Gregory</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3463</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Gregory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Jeff, you can&#039;t MAKE someone do something they dont want to.  (At least not without threats of violence. hehe)

I think there are two extremes on the pendulum.
1.  I paid for this freekshow so I can do what I want.
2.  WiFi banned.

In the middle???    Just as cellphones have become bad juju to use at a restraunt, I think laptops may undergoe the same peer scruitny and make the majority of attendees WiFi wisely.  If I was reading my email and the guy next to me whispered, &quot;nice email buddy&quot; in a sortof disgusted way, I would close the laptop and remember that I was here to listen.

Solution?  How do other things vyiing for our attention keep it in this day where ADD is considered normal.  I shudder to say this, but we probably need to take hints from television.  They keep peoples undivided attention for hours!  How do THEY do it?  Probably by making as interactive an experience possible.  Fancy moving flash pieces will probably do that job!   Instead of just showing off a sample of code... have the screen go to warp and stop at the code etc etc...   Lame ways of keeping ones attention but we know they work.  I would probably look to Discovery channel because they teach AND entertain.  (emphasis on the entertain)  I want to know how they build choppers for some reason.. so I watch.  I watch Crock Hunter because I want to see him get bitten!  (is that a bad thing to say?)

All in all, I think we as a community may want to address these issues just as we are.  Those going to the conferences most likely read these blogs too...  they will get the idea.. and then peer critique may help too.  There will always be those that use their Nextel speakerphone yelling thingie in the restraunt, but most people turn off their cellphones at the door or go outside when getting a call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Jeff, you can&#8217;t MAKE someone do something they dont want to.  (At least not without threats of violence. hehe)</p>
<p>I think there are two extremes on the pendulum.<br />
1.  I paid for this freekshow so I can do what I want.<br />
2.  WiFi banned.</p>
<p>In the middle???    Just as cellphones have become bad juju to use at a restraunt, I think laptops may undergoe the same peer scruitny and make the majority of attendees WiFi wisely.  If I was reading my email and the guy next to me whispered, &#8220;nice email buddy&#8221; in a sortof disgusted way, I would close the laptop and remember that I was here to listen.</p>
<p>Solution?  How do other things vyiing for our attention keep it in this day where ADD is considered normal.  I shudder to say this, but we probably need to take hints from television.  They keep peoples undivided attention for hours!  How do THEY do it?  Probably by making as interactive an experience possible.  Fancy moving flash pieces will probably do that job!   Instead of just showing off a sample of code&#8230; have the screen go to warp and stop at the code etc etc&#8230;   Lame ways of keeping ones attention but we know they work.  I would probably look to Discovery channel because they teach AND entertain.  (emphasis on the entertain)  I want to know how they build choppers for some reason.. so I watch.  I watch Crock Hunter because I want to see him get bitten!  (is that a bad thing to say?)</p>
<p>All in all, I think we as a community may want to address these issues just as we are.  Those going to the conferences most likely read these blogs too&#8230;  they will get the idea.. and then peer critique may help too.  There will always be those that use their Nextel speakerphone yelling thingie in the restraunt, but most people turn off their cellphones at the door or go outside when getting a call.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3462</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People have the right to set $100 bills on fire in the street, too. Doesn&#039;t make it any less stupid.

If people want to waste their time and their company&#039;s money goofing off during a conference presentation, so be it... but why are they there in the first place? Just skip the session if you&#039;re not going to pay attention. Show the presenter (and the learning process in general) a little respect and hang out in your room or the hotel bar instead if all you&#039;re going to do is check email and goof off.

And if the goof-offs are paying for the conference on their own dime... good luck in life. Nice job spending your hard-earned cash for the ability to check email, which you could&#039;ve done for the cost of a latte at an internet cafe. I sincerely hope you&#039;re a competitor of mine... I&#039;m learning while you&#039;re wasting money. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People have the right to set $100 bills on fire in the street, too. Doesn&#8217;t make it any less stupid.</p>
<p>If people want to waste their time and their company&#8217;s money goofing off during a conference presentation, so be it&#8230; but why are they there in the first place? Just skip the session if you&#8217;re not going to pay attention. Show the presenter (and the learning process in general) a little respect and hang out in your room or the hotel bar instead if all you&#8217;re going to do is check email and goof off.</p>
<p>And if the goof-offs are paying for the conference on their own dime&#8230; good luck in life. Nice job spending your hard-earned cash for the ability to check email, which you could&#8217;ve done for the cost of a latte at an internet cafe. I sincerely hope you&#8217;re a competitor of mine&#8230; I&#8217;m learning while you&#8217;re wasting money. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Chris K</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3461</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other people have mentioned this, so I just want to second it. The bulk of the burden falls on the attendees. If they want to get something out of it, they will pay attention and participate. Otherwise they&#039;re wasting their money.

I agree it sucks for the speaker to look out and hear the crickets. I think Veen&#039;s idea of using IM is a great way to help the audience engage. It&#039;s sad that in today&#039;s culture the attention span is so short that people have a hard time not getting distracted in less than 5 minutes (I&#039;m guilty as well). Getting the audience more involved is the key, but exactly what the magic formulae for that is, I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other people have mentioned this, so I just want to second it. The bulk of the burden falls on the attendees. If they want to get something out of it, they will pay attention and participate. Otherwise they&#8217;re wasting their money.</p>
<p>I agree it sucks for the speaker to look out and hear the crickets. I think Veen&#8217;s idea of using IM is a great way to help the audience engage. It&#8217;s sad that in today&#8217;s culture the attention span is so short that people have a hard time not getting distracted in less than 5 minutes (I&#8217;m guilty as well). Getting the audience more involved is the key, but exactly what the magic formulae for that is, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Knut Karnapp</title>
		<link>http://stopdesign.com/archive/2005/08/10/speaking-with-wifi.html#comment-3460</link>
		<dc:creator>Knut Karnapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to add something to Alex&#039;s thoughts. I totally see the same things happening at my university here, too. I always wonder why those, who have their laptops open (don&#039;t get me wrong mine is open often too) play games and stuff. I don&#039;t need the wifi in the auditorium for smth like that - the cafeteria is wide open.

My point is shouldn&#039;t someone who makes his way into such a conference room know why he / she does so?!

Banning wifi completely isn&#039;t the right way, though. What if someone has some great ideas during such a presentation and needs to type them immediately let&#039;s just say to make a nice &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.stopdesign.com/log/2005/06/24/zoom-layout.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
Zoom Layout&lt;/a&gt; - just a for instance :)

To sum up I like to have the opportunity to &quot;wifi&quot;, what everyone makes out of it is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to add something to Alex&#8217;s thoughts. I totally see the same things happening at my university here, too. I always wonder why those, who have their laptops open (don&#8217;t get me wrong mine is open often too) play games and stuff. I don&#8217;t need the wifi in the auditorium for smth like that &#8211; the cafeteria is wide open.</p>
<p>My point is shouldn&#8217;t someone who makes his way into such a conference room know why he / she does so?!</p>
<p>Banning wifi completely isn&#8217;t the right way, though. What if someone has some great ideas during such a presentation and needs to type them immediately let&#8217;s just say to make a nice <a href="http://www.stopdesign.com/log/2005/06/24/zoom-layout.html" rel="nofollow"><br />
Zoom Layout</a> &#8211; just a for instance :)</p>
<p>To sum up I like to have the opportunity to &#8220;wifi&#8221;, what everyone makes out of it is&#8230;</p>
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